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Conversation with Robert F. Krejci, November 15, 2019

Conversation held while looking at Krejci's scrapbook with Jan Krejci (daughter), Mike Wirth (grandson), and E [name withheld] (great-grandson). Jessica Dussault recorded the discussion.

Robert "Bob" Krejci was a member of the band in 1940-1941 and marched in the Tournament of the Roses Parade in Pasadena, CA. Krejci later became a faculty member in the University of Nebraska College of Dentistry and a practicing dentist in Lincoln, NE.

This transcript has been created from portions of the original conversation, to highlight particular items of interest and remove personal family dialogue.

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Audio of the conversation:

[ showing photo of himself, Lentz, and another band member planning drill formations on a table ]
Krejci
This is something of interest, I think, to you. If you look here, this is a piece of plywood and they, all the lines are marked, and there’s Professor Lentz and I was the president and he’s the vice-president of the band those years. You really have to take a large – oh you know about this already?
Dussault
Yeah, drill planning. Is that what you’re doing?
Krejci
Yeah, so we create things like that instead of pressing a button on modern technology that they do now. So you know about that?
Dussault
I’ve seen some of the old photos of everybody planning that stuff out.
Krejci
Oh so you know all that stuff already
Dussault
You know, I don’t really know all of that stuff, so anything you want to tell me would be great.
Krejci
Well, this is uh, that just kind of explains what – we'd spend hours on the formations. Can you see? [ holds up photograph of band in letter "I" formation ]
Dussault
An "I," yeah?
Krejci
And I have pictures. And your interest in this is because of?
Dussault
You know, these days we don’t have a lot of firsthand accounts of, you know.
Krejci
Those days.
Dussault
The 30s and 40s and to be honest, I’d even be interested in learning about the School of Dentistry and what campus was like and how you got back and forth from Lincoln to, is it Schuyler?
Wirth, Mike
Originally, yeah.
Dussault
So yeah, I have a whole list of questions I’d be happy to ask you, or you’re welcome to, you know, reminisce.
Krejci
Well, yeah, I can punch in a few of these things to acquaint you. And then you and I can get together sometime and then I can, I’ll get an overview of what your actual interests are and what you’d like to do with the information and all that stuff.

Rose Bowl Itinerary, Lentz, and Westbrook

Krejci
[To E Wirth] Tell 'em how much the food was on the train.
E
[ reading from Rose Bowl train menu ] 35 cents for lunch and then for dinner it was 60 cents.
Wirth, Mike
What does the menu sound like? Was it any good?
E
The food looks pretty good [ unclear ] Pretty normal stuff on the menu.
Krejci
They stopped the train and-
Wirth, Mike
Yeah pull up, pull up your itinerary, show her your itinerary and you can kind of walk through what that trip looked like. I think she’d like to see that. There you go. Do you want me to read through it like I was before? Let her read through it?
Krejci
Whatever you want to do.
Wirth, Mike
Sure, she can read it.
Dussault
Saturday, leave Lincoln on Burlington. Monday arrive in Los Angeles via Kansas City, El Paso and Phoenix. Monday still, Los Angeles staying at New Rosslyn Hotel. Which, I think I’ve heard some stories about that hotel.
Krejci
Yeah.
Dussault
I don’t know if you’d care to share any of them but, I’ve heard about water balloons and-
Krejci
Well [laughs] yesterday we were talking about that. I never involved myself with the balloons because you could get caught with those, but we were on the third floor. And lots of people. If there were certain lines that were there that we knew about and weren’t quite as fond of as we should be, we’d lean out of the window with a glass of water and dump it on them and take off. It trickled down 3 stories and it got pretty nice and cool. Jan was impressed with the prices of the food on the train.
Dussault
[ reading from itinerary ] "Practice conscientiously for a few minutes each day during vacation." Well, and I’d also heard that you all had prepared music that then you didn’t get to play because of the ASCAP strike, right? Don Lentz talks quite a bit about how there was a strike right before the trip, and he had to prepare completely different music, but maybe you guys didn’t worry so much about that?
Krejci
Not quite, way back then, but later on we were involved in all that. Don Lentz is – did you ever meet the man?
Dussault
No.
Krejci
Side story – do you know the Temple building at the University? One room, we were, the entire band was packed in for rehearsal. That's the only place we had to go. Noise! Now what was my story?
Wirth, Mike
‘bout Don Lentz.
Krejci
Yeah. Oh! We'd be playing along and he'd stop and he’d say "E FLAT!" You know? He could hear that and gaw it would drive me crazy. I was president of the band and there if, somebody would, he was a brilliant man. Nice man. And I just remember that story.
Dussault
When you say you were president of the band, is that of Gamma Lambda or was it you were..."President of the Band."
Krejci
President of the Band.
Dussault
Okay, okay. I know there was a fraternity back then, the band fraternity, so I was wondering if that was-
Krejci
Later, later. This was quite a while back.

[Editor's note: Several music fraternities would have existed at this time, including Gamma Lambda and Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia. Yearbooks from the 1940s list Krejci as being a member of both groups, but is unclear what the office of President of the Band may have been.]


Krejci
This stuff is a few years later than the Rose Bowl, but we, uh, played it when we presented The Messiah. The four of us were in a group and were serenading the folks as they were coming in.
Wirth, Mike
Oh this one is before, this one’s, this one is 1939.
Krejci
Okay sure. Okay, that’s right. And then Arthur Westbrook he was quite some guy, he was.
Wirth, Mike
That’s the program for it. Hold on a second.
Krejci
You’re on the wrong end.

Dentistry

Dussault
So then, what years were you on the faculty at UNL?
Wirth, Mike
Hold on, I’ll tell you.
Krejci
My dates today are, I don’t remember them. I can’t spot ‘em. I was on the faculty for a number of years. I have books over there that thick.
Wirth, Mike
Yup yup, I know where it is. I’ve got it. I brought a copy of your CV with me.
Krejci
You and I looked at some of those letters, didn’t we? She’s asking about-
Krejci, Jan
Mike’s got-
Krejci
She asked me which years I was on.
Krejci, Jan
Right, Mike’s got that information so he’s getting that.
Wirth, Mike
So...initially in ‘51 to ‘55 and then again ‘66 to ‘69 and then tenured in ‘67 up to where he was an emeritis professor in ‘87. So roughly a 30 year-
Krejci, Jan
And does that say when he was in his dental practice? It should.
Wirth, Mike
Yes. From...so you, were you still practicing? Was he still practicing at the end after he was done teaching? And after that?
Krejci, Jan
Yeah, you practiced for a while after you were teaching.
Krejci
Oh yeah.
Wirth, Mike
After you retired from teaching? That’s what I’m wondering.
Krejci
Yeah I did.
Wirth, Mike
That’s what this says. Yeah it says here he practiced til 91. I didn’t realize he’d practiced that long.

From Schuyler to Mexico

Krejci
Do you know where Schuyler is?
Dussault
I sort of do, yeah.
Krejci
Well, [reading headline] "Schuyler Band Donates Sum to Help Nebraska Band go to the Rosebowl" Nice band!
Dussault
Were you the only person from your town going? Or were there other people in the band?
Krejci
I think I’m, I think from Schuyler I think I was the only one.
Krejci, Jan
Dad, there’s a couple copies of the Schuyler newspaper in that scrapbook, too, that she can look at
Krejci
"Best Boys Go West" Is that a copy of what you were talking about honey?
Krejci, Jan
No, there’s copies of the Schuyler newspaper. I remember that from looking at that before.

Dussault
So was it a fun trip? The Rose Bowl trip, I mean?
Krejci
It was, you know at that age, it was, I already knew. I was a farm boy, and then I was making progress at the university, of course. But it was fascinating for me. I had not traveled much by then, and they treated us well. They [??] a train and hired vehicles to haul us in to take a little tour in Mexico. And we had a guy to tell us about Mexico and that’s when I bought that bottle of tequila. And I think of these stories. I lived in a boarding house when I went to the university. And I had this bottle of tequila. I did not drink much of it. But every once in a while I’d have a swallow of it.
Wirth, Mike
Or two.
Krejci
Well. That’s when you’d come over, probably. Anyhow, what do you got there? Well, I haven’t had a cold yet, and I’d take a couple teaspoons and I really think it’d help me. It didn’t last a long time, anyhow.
Krejci, Jan
They didn’t travel then the way they do now.
Dussault
Right, it was a big trip.
Krejci
"Come Celebrate Stanford vs Nebraska Rose Bowl Football Rally Dance, New Year’s Eve Night. Public Invited. Dollar Ten Per Person Including Tax." "Nebraska Float Wins Second in Pasadena Rosebowl Parade" I don’t know if you’re interested in this stuff.

Lincoln the School of Music

Dussault
So what was Lincoln like when you went to school? I mean, you said you lived in a boarding house. Did you walk to campus or, you know.
Krejci
I was two blocks out from the campus. The Brown Palace. Do you remember the name?

[Editor's note: According to the student directories from 1939 to 1942, Krejci lived at 1410 Q St.]

Dussault
Uh unh.
Krejci
I’ll explain it then. The Brown Palace, they called it.
Dussault
Was your boarding house?
Krejci
Yeah. One of them. Another one was Mrs. Howe. She’d take, rent out, she had a pretty good sized home, and after, so she’d rent out a room and also board university students. So I, that was, those were interesting times. That’s when I had my bottle of tequila on the dresser in that boarding house. And she’d get up, you know, she’d wake you and say "get in here and have your breakfast, you can’t go to school without breakfast." Wonderful lady. She was nice, she really was. I’d go in the kitchen and help her once in a while.
Krejci, Jan
Dad, what was your major at the university? Were you a music major?
Krejci
I think just business if I’m not mistaken, although I was, with Professor Westbrook and all, I was taking lessons all the time I was at school.

[ Editor's note: It is possible that Krejci changed majors during his studies. Student directories and some yearbook evidence indicate he was registerd in Teacher's College or Music, but a Daily Nebraskan article from 1940 reports that Krejci was a freshman in the College of Business Adminstration ]

Dussault
What was Westbrook like?
Krejci
Dr. Westbrook? Almost like his picture presents. He was very formal. Very to the point. Didn’t mess with you. And if you had it coming, then he would, compliment you or recommend you to someone else. Well, in Temple, he was the choral director, nice smart sharp people. He directed all these large musical groups like The Messiah and all of ‘em.
Dussault
Would you have overlapped at all with Billie Quick? He was there until ‘38 or something.
Krejci
I know the name but that’s it. I was not...What’s his-
Dussault
He was the band director before Don Lentz, I didn’t know if you would have met him when you were in high school or--
Krejci
I’m sure I’ve met him. I never had any-

[ Editor's note: A Daily Nebraska article reports that Krejci performed at a band banquet at which the late Quick was honored. ]


Dussault
I was wondering if you remembered any of those [Band Day]-
Krejci
Lentz was a nice man, and a brilliant man, and a fine musician. He would go out and score for Bakaleinikov. You recognize that name?
Dussault
I don’t know if I do.
Krejci
A famous musician on the west coast.
Dussault
I know he [Lentz] played with Sousa.
Krejci
Yeah, and he would go out and score for him. I’m the one looking at these but it’s hard for everybody, there’s not much to see here.

Rose Bowl Trip

Krejci
Reminds me of...they must have donated more than once. "Nebraska Band goes to the Rose Bowl" "Biff Jones."
Dussault
The football coach, right?
Krejci
Biff?
Dussault
Or athletic director?
Krejci
No.
Dussault
This is outside of my wheelhouse.
Krejci
"Biff’s Boys Go West." He was the coach, wasn’t he?
Dussault
I think he was, I think you’re right.
Krejci
Schuyler People to See Rose Bowl Game, 7 Hour Route. Can you believe it? Down from little ole Schuyler Nebraska. Here, this is a-
Wirth, Mike
Do you remember telling your folks that you were going to California? Do you remember talking about that? You were telling them about that trip. Because that was such a big trip. Do you remember talking to them?
Krejci
Oh yeah, well see, I was still living with them on the farm.
Wirth, Mike
Sure.
Krejci
And I remember when they put me on the train in Schuyler, my poor mother was so sad. I was getting on the train to meet something, to get together with the band. I was a farm boy for years during the Dirty ‘30s and the Dustbowl years and blizzard years. I could tell you some stories about that if you’d like to hear those.
Dussault
Sure!
Krejci
[laughs] It’s amazing that I saved all this stuff.
Wirth, Mike
Tell em, tell em. Uh you told me this before Jessica got here, but let’s go back to the train trip back out there. You say goodbye to your mom. She’s weeping because little Bobby is going to get on the train.
Krejci
Well, uh, she’s-
Wirth, Mike
Maybe for joy.
Krejci
A little of each.
Wirth, Mike
Maybe. But then you got on the train, and we talked about this, that train trip to get all the way from Lincoln to LA took 2 full days.
Krejci
Well that was not the train that-
Wirth, Mike
I got you, that you said goodbye to your mom on was not the train that you ended up taking. I get that. I’m saying the one to get from Lincoln to go to LA. That trip. When all of you were on that trip. You stopped along the way at Phoenix, er, Kansas City and Phoenix and Albuquerque and hit all those spots.
Krejci
Well a lot of them. They let us off. They were very nice to us.
Wirth, Mike
Did you do anything along the way that was memorable?
Krejci
[laughs] I’m sure I did!
Wirth, Mike
Well let’s start with the one you just told me about the guys who got off the train. Let’s talk about that.
Krejci
Well, they did give us this tour in Mexico in those days. We were fed well on that train. Everything was neat and well done and respected really. But as far as, other than staying with the group, the leader would know where to go to show us things.
Wirth, Mike
What about the guys who wandered too far?
Krejci
I wasn’t one of ‘em so I don’t remember.
Wirth, Mike
Want to talk about the guys who did? Right? Remember when you got off the train and-
Krejci
Oh well they got off the train and yeah, and they were goofing around. The train sometimes would stop for quite a while to let people get off. It was a slow trip those days. And these guys were kinda hiking along the train and messing around and the whistle blew but they didn’t hear it I guess, and the train took off and there they were. They had to catch the next train hours later. I would say to myself "I can’t imagine how I’d feel or what I’d do if that happened to me!" You know, I wasn’t as adventurous as they must have been because.
Krejci, Jan
You miss the train, you could have been stuck there for a while.
Krejci
It was all a positive trip except that long march along the trolley tracks. My lip was like hamburger.
Wirth, Mike
So, have you heard this before?
Dussault
Uh unh!
Wirth, Mike
So the march, talk about, you said there were people all over.
Krejci
There were farm folks like you heard, people that went to the Rose Bowl, farmers who couldn’t afford it, but they’d donate money so the band could go and they’d go to the Rose bowl. And what was the question?
Wirth, Mike
When you were marching? The march and the parade.
Krejci
There were people, I don’t know how deep, there were people on either side. A tremendous population gathered for that Rose Bowl.
Wirth, Mike
And the march route, you were walking along, had a lot of trolley tracks.
Krejci
Well, that’s their transportation.
Wirth, Mike
Right, so what was it like to walk on the trolley tracks?
Krejci
That’s what I was describing.
Wirth, Mike
Yeah but she wasn’t here when you were, that’s what I was saying.
Krejci
Oh.
[ Krejci takes a phone call and while he does, Mike explains during the call ]
Wirth, Mike
So the march was along trolley tracks...and they’d slip and jab their mouth.

Krejci
When the ice cream hits the fan it always hits at the same time. Some days
Dussault
You’re popular today, huh?
Wirth, Mike
Seriously! You got it?
Wirth, Mike
So then, so not only from being in the band but talk about what you ended up doing when you went to, when you were in the military? So share with her about that part. So your band training got you into more band experiences.
Krejci
Yup. That’s another subject.
Wirth, Mike
So how did that happen? How did you end up playing in the band? Who did you tell?
Krejci
I’m not going to further this conversation anymore today, to the military.
Wirth, Mike
Didn’t you tell the people who were doing the draft stuff that you were in the band and that somebody prompted you to tell them that?
Krejci
Right now my mind is gone.
Wirth, Mike
Not remembering that part?
Krejci
I don’t have a memory in the first place.
Wirth, Mike
What I remember you telling me is that, I think, I think it was Lentz who told you to tell them that you’d played in the band at Nebraska is what, is what I recall.
Krejci
I’ll have to rake up all that stuff and bring it forward.

Dussault
Do you remember what it was like when you auditioned for the band? Like, how did you get into the university marching band?
Krejci
I took cornet lessons when I started university I also took some cornet lessons and I believe it was with Don Lentz. And he introduced me to Dr. Westbrook, you asked me about him. He was a very stately, but he, Westbrook, kind of took a liking to me, and I knew that by the grapevine because others would comment. And he definitely recommended to Lentz and others that I be considered for the band, so they had the military band, and then the Nebraska band, and you usually spent a little time in the military band. And I still remember, he’d be marching alongside and say"LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT"you know, teaching us how to march and all that. Oh yeah, lot of water has run under the bridge. It’s beginning to get a little full. Yeah, you asked about Westbrook. He was a very proper, nice man. You knew him?
Dussault
Now, I’ve seen his picture a lot, though, because I went to school in his building, in the Westbrook Music Building.
Krejci
You never saw him that he wasn’t neat and stately and dressed nicely.
Dussault
I’ve heard he had a hat that he kinda squashed down on his head all the time, but that’s about all I know.

[ Editor's note: a description Lentz used in his 1974 interview ]

Krejci
I still remember when we’d be out marching in rehearsal. And Don Lentz once in a while would be walking alongside and say "LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT" and I thought to myself, well hell, I’m walking that’s the way I walk! But he was kind of stirring everybody up a little bit. [to E, sarcastically] You’re too noisy.

Krejci
I do remember vividly that six plus mile march in the band, because the band was played up so much, and you can’t imagine the mobs of people along the sides of the
Wirth, Mike
At the Rose Bowl? Uh oh.

Krejci
What have you got?
Wirth, Mike
I found you in this one.
Krejci
Oh did ya?
Wirth, Mike
You, you look terrible.
Krejci, Jan
Yup, right there.
Krejci
I haven’t looked for myself, I’ll have to look when you get through.
Krejci, Jan
Want me to show you? This is from 1942, says on the back.
E
Yeah, I can kind of recognize him.
Dussault
Was this your little dog?
Krejci
Fritz. That little dog still lived on the farm.

Drill Planning

Krejci
That stadium was jammed full today, wasn’t it?
Wirth, Mike
Look E, look at this one, look how grandpa is dressed up. Like, think about the band members today, he’s wearing a suit!
Krejci
Was that before, just traveling?
Wirth, Mike
That’s when you’re doing the pegboard mapping out the marching.
E
So would you use that table?
Wirth, Mike
I don’t know if you, did you dress up a little better, did you dress up better for the photo or is that how you would always dress?
Krejci
No, I was pretty neat at the university.
Wirth, Mike
It’s very different today.
E
Would you use those lines on the table to represent the yard markers?
Krejci
No well that was painted on the table. It was, the size was, in relation to the, you know
E
The football field?
Krejci
Yeah, and uh, pretty large sheet of plywood and those lines were painted on for the markers.
E
The yard lines?
Krejci
The yard lines, yeah.
E
So then you would just mark out where they would go, where the people would be marching?
Krejci
Yeah, to the side, the measurement and everything else. Oh we’d spend half a day at a time on there doing that.
E
That’s amazing.
Krejci
The three of us.
Krejci, Jan
Dad?
E
Now with all the technology you can just do that in a second.

WWII

Krejci, Jan
Dad? Who was the gentleman when you were in the Army that was a dentist? And that’s what got you interested in going to dental school when you got back. You told me it was a Major somebody, I thought?
Krejci
Sichacha [spelling unknown]
Krejci, Jan
I don’t remember at all.
Wirth, Mike
Sounds right. I dunno. I do remember the name of the Colonel Scotch [unknown spelling] that you helped managed for him in supply. Colonel Gingerely [spelling unknown].
Krejci, Jan
[explaining to Dussault] He was a supply sergeant.
Krejci
[laughs] Gingerely, yeah!
Krejci, Jan
Who was the General that you, that was there with, that you set up everything with the supply sergeant in the Philippines? I don’t remember who that was.
Wirth, Mike
You didn’t realize that this was going to be a quiz show, did you?
Krejci
The General, what was his?
Krejci, Jan
I don’t know what his rank was, I thought he was, oh! The General who was in charge of things in the Philippines when you were there.
Krejci
I have his name in there someplace but I can’t whip it out.
Krejci, Jan
Well that’s okay. That’s alright. But that’s how you and Mom met, was over in the Philippines.
Krejci
She has quite a memory.
Krejci, Jan
I’ve heard this story a time or two. [To Mike Wirth] Did you know that?
Wirth, Mike
What’s that?
Krejci, Jan
That that’s how they met?
E
In the Philippines.
Krejci, Jan
Grandma and grandpa?
Wirth, Mike
Absolutely. Yeah. There’s a great picture of Grandma Betty.
E
Tell her how you guys met. Mom and dad.
Wirth, Mike
Not in the Philippines.
E
[unclear]
Wirth, Mike
That’s right.
Krejci, Jan
Where did you what?
E
[unclear]
Krejci, Jan
[unclear]
E
That was exciting.
Wirth, Mike
There’s a great picture of Grandma Betty in the Philippines. And it’s a great picture, because when you look at it, you say, how could somebody this beautiful ever marry somebody like this guy over here?
Krejci
So handsome.
Krejci, Jan
She was a telephone operator in the Philippines. Did you know that?
E
She was a telephone operator in WWII.
Wirth, Mike
You know, but then, he was a bit of a swashbuckler, you know.
Dussault
He did play trumpet!
Wirth, Mike
Yeah and he could play a mean trumpet.
E
I remember when you used to-
Krejci, Jan
Did you play the trumpet or the cornet?
Wirth, Mike
And look at that shirt, it’s unbuttoned a little bit.
Krejci
In the band, the cornet.
Krejci, Jan
That’s what I thought.

Dussault
Thanks for talking to me, and answering the quiz show.
Krejci
Well I think that’s nice of you to come over.

Dussault
This seems very formal now, it’s really not too formal. Could I get your name and where you were born and some of that stuff?
Krejci
Robert F. Middle name is "Frank".
Dussault
Is what?
Krejci
Is Frank, my father’s name. K-R-E-C-J-I.